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alfnapper


Registered: Nov 01
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Well all i can say is when two objects moving at different velocities cross tragectories there will be a collision at that point whether it's the front or the side,but i like your idea for protecting the crew quarters.
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GsusReloded


Registered: Jul 04
Posts: 79
Not sure but

I am not sure but the way that i understand that theory of relativity your Idea of a true void cannot happen. The reason i say this is because relativity is relational. You can't have a space with only one thing in it , because there is nothing to measure it against. Trying to define a spatial system with one object is like writing a sentence with no words in it, it is undefined. Also, like you said , there is nothing to measure your velocity against in this true void, so velocity is what looses its meaning, not C so there would be no way for you to measure if you were going faster than C, you might as well be standing still (of course assuming that you aren't accelerating faster than 9.8m/sec^2). But how can you measure how fast you are going with no frame of reference? So that doesnt call for the need of an "aether", because this situation is undefined in our universe (according to general relativity)

09/26/04 18:47
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wowzaa


Registered: Oct 04
Posts: 3
Shielding for .1C space craft

Doctor, how about using an asteroid or possibly a comet like material. The asteroid, an iron or metalic ore, would be extremly effective in protecting space farers. A comet could also be used for water and oxygen.
I was also wondering if using an extremly high negative charge on the shield would also be effective in repelling smaller particles?

REALITY IS A MATTER OF PERCEPTION.

10/30/04 03:33
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Colby


Registered: Sep 03
Posts: 91

What are the chances of these dust particles being affected by a magnetic field? If you create a magnetic field on the front of the ship, then particles that react to the magnetic field would slow down, or actually speed up, but not impact the ship. Does anyone understand what I am trying to talk about?

[Edited by Colby on 10/30/04 at 18:35]
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wowzaa


Registered: Oct 04
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magnetic shielding

Colby,
That was my point. If you use an ultra dense metalic asteroid on the leading edge of the ship, and magnatized it, wouldn't that provide enough shielding?
The magnetic charge would repel any oppositely charged particle, and any like charged particle would impact the asteroid shield.
The first cosmic snow plow!
Also a larger asteroid would allow for a larger trailing craft. But then you'd have to deal with accelerating that much more mass up to speed. More mass needs more fuel, more fuel means more mass, more mass, more fuel.....
an infinite loop of literally cosmic proportions.
Apparently shielding might be a minor concern.

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10/31/04 05:57
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Colby


Registered: Sep 03
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Why does it have to be an asteroid? Couldn't it just be an electromagnet? It doesn't necessarily have to be big, just enough so the surface area of the ship can plow through space without getting obliterated. I mean, I figure if we can have enough power on our spaceship for 40 years, then we'll be able to have enough power for an electromagnet!
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CandleLight


Registered: Nov 04
Posts: 8
Inverting magnetic containment feilds

Fusion reactors use magnetic containment feilds to compres and contain materials in a reation. They are capable of sustaining very, very high pressures. Could one not reverse the effect and, instead of compresing materials, repel them, effectively making a "force sheild" while drasticaly reducing the mass of the craft by removing the massive forward 'cone sheild', making it more manuverable and easing acceleration/deceleration?

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CandleLight


Registered: Nov 04
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Re: Relativity!

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Originally posted by Dr. Huppert
Dear Giskard,...




A spacecraft is accelerating in space, but lets for the moment call this space a true void, absent from any seen or unseen forces or masses. The general theory of relativity suggests that it is impossible to accelerate to the speed of light, but might be possible to accelerate to a point just before this velocity is reached! Answer this question, if this craft is in a true void, by what point of reference could you possibly be able to determine your speed, let alone any relative kinetic energy you might have?

A true void would be immeasurable in size, so if a craft has a supposed velocity of 99.9% of the speed of light, it may as well be stationary, for what is it travelling to, or from where has it come? Yet its maximum velocity is still limited to just under 299,792,458 metres/second or C. What is stopping the craft in a true void from continually accelerating beyond this measurable speed?

...what is fact is that a mass moving in a void has to be moving through some unseen field for it to “know” when it is about to reach the speed of light, otherwise speed is of no consequence and C doesn’t exist!"




>I think you have confused absolute velocity with relative velocity. absolute velocity doesn't depent on points of reference. Absolute velocity is determined by how much distance there is between where you are and where you where after a given amount of time. just because you can't tell that you are moving doesn't mean that you aren't.


the ether impediment theory does appear pretty sound, though. it seems analagous to fluid friction except with ether.
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Colby


Registered: Sep 03
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Yeah, but there is one problem with this magnetic shield. What if the particles aren't magnetic. I was thinking maybe we should have a laser beam shooting in front of the vehicle destroying everything in its path. It would take care of those nasty particles . Actually, that sounds a little too extreme.
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Dr. Huppert


Registered: Aug 04
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On the magnetic repulsive shield!

Having a repulsive electromagnetic field at the front of a space craft travelling at or faster than the incredible velocity of one tenth of the speed of light sounds nice, but I do not believe this design would work as you assume it would!

First and foremost, most space debris, dust, is of a non magnetic material and as such would hardly be affected by an electromagnetic field. But let us assume for a moment that all space dust is as iron filings, being readily guided by magnetic forces. Remember when I talked about the relative kinetic energy of a 5 gram piece of space dust when a craft strikes it at 108,000,000 km/h!

All magnetic fields (similar to earth’s gravity) have an effective “event horizon”, a distance at which this field is weakened enough so as not to be noticeable or detectable. Let us assume an unrealistically overpowered repulsive magnetic shield (again assuming the space dust has either a positive or negative charge) could be designed so as to begin repelling space dust at a distance of 1 km. OK, so this field would have to deflect the space dust from the craft’s path in less than 0.00003 of a second before the craft strikes it, assuming the craft is travelling at the stated velocity of one tenth of the speed of light!

Let us now assume that this craft has a radius of about 10 metres. We need to accelerate a 5 gram piece of “negatively charged metallic space dust” a distance of 10 metres in 0.00003 seconds. F=M x A. F= 0.005 x 333,333m/s/s. F= 1.67 kN. I won’t go into detail concerning Faraday’s Law and the amount of energy required to produce the magnetic forces of this strength to a distance of 1 kilometre, but you can believe me it is not going to happen. The repulsive force required is about 34,000 times as strong as earth’s gravity!

Even if it were possible to generate (and sustain) this immense magnetic force (which is not far from the theoretical power of a black hole, only in reverse), there would be no way to protect the ship itself from compacting onto and crushing itself on its own protective magnetic shield.

When considering such things, you must understand the physics involved, and you must make appropriate mathematical study to determine the viability of such ideas. It is by studying such things that I came to the conclusion concerning my design for a protective cone-like shield. Magnetic forces will do nothing in retrospect.

I don’t mean to bust your bubble gentlemen, but keep being creative and I am sure you will make your mark one day!

11/04/04 14:54
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